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SD pickup thoughts - Liberator & Screamin Demon

Post by Hamner1 » Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:34 pm

I'm contemplating getting some new pickups. I was a Seymour Duncan fan prior to switching to EMGs. I want to give passives a spin again. I'm shooting for Lynch/Demartini/EVH tone. Thick, punchy, not muddy, screaming 80's metal tone. They will go into an alder body strat/dinky type guitar with a maple fretboard.
So with that what are your thoughts on the following:
Screamin' Demon - I never owned but it seems like it would be very bright. Maybe too bright?
Super V - ???
Demartini - ???
Custom - More output than the screamin demon but maybe not as bright.

Fell free to plug any other SD pickups you think would be a good fit. I primarily used '59, JB, Jazz, & Seth humbuckers back in the day. They really didn't get me there.

Some thoughts:
Less output from the pickup a better thing?
Alnico V or II?
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Post by Steven Latch » Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:01 pm

I have a screamin demon in a mahogany John Suhr standard and it sounds great. Very versatile. However, it is likely to be less balanced/brighter in an alder guitar.

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the only way, Ive found.

Post by GtrGeorge! » Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:29 pm

So many variables are involved..unfortunately the best advice I can give (and I am a pickup nut) is to buy one, put it in and live with it for a while, then on to the next one.
Its the only way, Ive found.
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Re: the only way, Ive found.

Post by Mattfig » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:45 pm

GtrGeorge! wrote:So many variables are involved..unfortunately the best advice I can give (and I am a pickup nut) is to buy one, put it in and live with it for a while, then on to the next one.
Its the only way, Ive found.
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Bill Lawrence

Post by guitarzan » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:50 pm

I recently picked up a couple Bill Lawrence pickups. Nuno has been using them for years. I'm pretty impressed so far. Sound great dirty and clean up nice too. The mids cut really well. The prices are pretty good too. You might want to check them out. I'm also in love with the Anderson H3+. It has a really warm, well ronded tone.
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Re: the only way, Ive found.

Post by Hamner1 » Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:37 pm

Mattfig wrote:
GtrGeorge! wrote:So many variables are involved..unfortunately the best advice I can give (and I am a pickup nut) is to buy one, put it in and live with it for a while, then on to the next one.
Its the only way, Ive found.
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Matt, you have very true statements there. :lol:

GtrGeorge, funny thing is I used to have pickups lying around all the time and would do just that. Out goes 1, in goes the new, etc, etc. I have tried to slim down all of my stuff, even off loading some guitars. Simple and neat is better I think nowadays. :shock:
Maybe I will just have to bite the bullet. I know what the '59, JB, Jazz, & Seth humbuckers will give me. I had a Bill Lawrence USA and wasn't impressed.

Nobody has tried the Super V or Demartini pickups? Maybe I'll contract Pickup Fig Syndrome. :lol:
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Post by SacredGroove » Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:51 pm

Steven Latch wrote:I have a screamin demon in a mahogany John Suhr standard and it sounds great. Very versatile. However, it is likely to be less balanced/brighter in an alder guitar.
Absolutely not. Georges guitars are built with alder. I've got a Serpent and MIA Strat, both with Screamin' Demons. My Strat is the most versatile and balanced guitar I've ever had because of it. The Serpent just flat out wails. The Screamin' Demon is medium output too. Tons of tone that pup.
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Post by alboz28 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:55 am

I have a Screamin Demon in an 89 Hamer Californian - It is not a bright pickup - sounds very thick and balanced..

In your guitar for the Lynch/Demartini/EVH tone you will not go wrong with :

Screamin Demon
Custom
Custom 5
Custom Custom

I have owned many Charvels over the years and the Custom Custom pickup was always my favorite in a brighter guitar.
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Post by Nightdare » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:59 am

When I compare SD to DiM
I always describe them as SD having the chugs and DiM having the roar

If you want some 80's rock, the DiM Super distortion is what filled half the albums of that time

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Post by johnodge » Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:32 pm

Bill Lawrence USA -> try some real Bill and Becky pickups.

As for SD's, I love how the Jazz/JB combo sounds in almost any guitar I put them in. Randy Rhodes used them I believe... but, just an even high output combo....

The set sounded awesome in an Epi SG I had, and my Godin LG has the set in it.
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Post by Nightdare » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:33 pm

johnodge wrote:As for SD's, I love how the Jazz/JB combo sounds in almost any guitar I put them in. Randy Rhodes used them I believe... but, just an even high output combo....

The set sounded awesome in an Epi SG I had, and my Godin LG has the set in it.
Randy Rhoads used a Duncan Distortion in the bridge

Personally, the JB in my jackson RR1 had to go
muddy in the lows, icepick in the highs, a lot of people have this same problem with the JB, you're one of the few exceptions I've seen so far :wink:
(and I'll admit i found it horrid in my RR1, so far haven't put it in other Axes, will be trying it in a mahogany Ibanez RG when i get around to it)

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Post by johnodge » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:23 pm

Ya, I even but a Jazz/JB set in a Peavey Wolfgang with good results. I'd like to try them in my Epi Slash, but I just put the new Slash pickups in it, and they sound wonderful...

The great thing with the Jazz/JB is that they coil split with good results (like on the Godin with a start 5 way, with positions 2 and 4 are coil split modes). Wolfgang pickups don't coil split very well...

I've also tried a Custom Custom, and not happy with it at all...
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Post by Nightdare » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:12 pm

johnodge wrote:I'd like to try them in my Epi Slash, but I just put the new Slash pickups in it, and they sound wonderful...
Funny, a few years ago I modified a Epi Custom using Alnico II pros because i wanted to have an axe having a sound 'similar' to Slash's
I've also tried a Custom Custom, and not happy with it at all...
LOL, and I love that pickup, contemplated about throwing that in my RR1, but opted for the Super 3
the CC may not be a screamer and has more grunt than roar, but it adds weight to otherwise thin sounding guitars

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Post by Hamner1 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:20 pm

Some good feedback. I stopped by the music shop to see what was in stock & price check.
Demartini is off the list, almost $300 is ridiculous in my opinion. It would be interesting to hear how the Super V differs from the Screamin Demon.
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Post by Shinozoku » Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:49 pm

Nightdare wrote:
johnodge wrote:As for SD's, I love how the Jazz/JB combo sounds in almost any guitar I put them in. Randy Rhodes used them I believe... but, just an even high output combo....

The set sounded awesome in an Epi SG I had, and my Godin LG has the set in it.
Randy Rhoads used a Duncan Distortion in the bridge

Personally, the JB in my jackson RR1 had to go
muddy in the lows, icepick in the highs, a lot of people have this same problem with the JB, you're one of the few exceptions I've seen so far :wink:
(and I'll admit i found it horrid in my RR1, so far haven't put it in other Axes, will be trying it in a mahogany Ibanez RG when i get around to it)
With the JB in my Edwards (almost exact same spec as your RR1) it's the perfect tone for me. However the Jazz (in the RR3 that my JB came from) while great with high gain, didn't clean up well and was quite muddy with the volume knob down low.
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