BE - HBE?

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BE - HBE?

Post by ned » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:52 pm

What sound are these Friedman modules going for? Brown? I haven't spent much time looking at the Friedman stuff.
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Post by suphuckers » Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:44 pm

I don't have either of these ned, but I think that's... BrownEye and HairyBrownEye. So my guess is yes to the Brown. I know for a fact there's a few guys around here that have played with those modules. I'm sure someone will chime in with some more info.
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Post by Jacksauce » Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:13 pm

Hi Ned! I'll second that suphuckers, hot-rodded Marshall tone.
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Post by MarcoR » Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:45 am

The HBE has lots of gain and is in the brown realm. I would have probably liked the BE more as I don't really need or use all the gain the HBE has to offer. I will say that on its own, the sound is kind of meh... but in the band mix it really does cut through nicely. Other modules that I thought sounded fantastic on their own just did not work in a band mix nearly as well, FWIW.
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Post by ned » Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:05 am

I listened to some clips of the BE100, great sounding amp especially when the VH switch is engaged.

Wonder if we could get a dual channel with BE and HBE :) and a VH switch.
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Post by MarcoR » Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:10 am

ned wrote:I listened to some clips of the BE100, great sounding amp especially when the VH switch is engaged.

Wonder if we could get a dual channel with BE and HBE :) and a VH switch.
I know there was at least one dual channel made with the C45 on channel A and HBE on channel B but Dave once said in a post on RigTalk that he couldn't do both BE and HBE on the same module. Maybe that's changed? Maybe when the new Synergy line is released he'll do that.
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Post by Oregon » Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:36 pm

I have one of two former HBE mods that were made for Steve Stevens (guessing one was a backup?)

It's a really fun mod to play. Has the simple Friedman circuit tweets, and two old-ass 12AX7 tubes, and a huge tone.

Wonder if he could do a 2nd channel accessing the same circuit in a different way? Essentially providing a lower gain voice.
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Post by hunter » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:26 am

I thought the Judge was BE anyways?

I own a BE100 and have an RM100 with Judge incoming.

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Post by rblyn » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:59 am

hunter wrote:I thought the Judge was BE anyways?

I own a BE100 and have an RM100 with Judge incoming.
Straight from Mr Friedman himself "Judge is a BE with a saturation switch"...but Im going to guess these new modules have more bells/whistles or maybe can get you a little closer? I've played the BE (50 watt) and have a Judge and they are pretty close- The feel is almost identical- but the real BE has a clearer, more organic tone...of course you can get closer by using EL34's.
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Post by drewiv » Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:32 am

They aren't looking like they'll have more bells & whistles in the prototypes, but no one really knows what is to come.
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Post by Caine » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:39 pm

Not sure how this will apply to the Synergy versions, but Dave Friedman (2009) wrote:

"...the HBE is designed to give more gain to the BE. The voice is almost the same but just a little meaner. The BE with the sat switch has more compression and a little more scooped and metal sounding then the HBE. The regular settings in general are more organic and dynamic then with the Sat switch. They all are good sounds though. Dave"

http://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic ... 57&t=55256

I wonder if the BE would be the more versatile module if you plan to use a pedal in front of it (sometimes using the pedal and other times not).

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Post by Mike P » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:27 pm

I took modules to Dave back in 2011 that became a BE and an HBE and here are my impressions/thoughts.

The BE is similar to a 70's two input Marshall JMP 2203/2204 but it's brighter, the mids are in a different place and it has approximately 25% more gain that a stock Marshall. It's cool and definitely has more of a "Modern" sound. But if you're looking for the "Back in Black" tone, the EQ won't get you there, unlike an SG MK22, which can nail it.

The HBE, IMO, has too much gain and sounds overly compressed. The tone stack might be the same as the BE but it reacts differently due to the gain structure and compression. It's definitely more of a modified Marshall than the BE, IMO, although with a Floyd Rose guitar and a H949 harmonizer (or similar), it could nail the VH 5150 tone, which I consider buzzy and compressed.
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Post by djdayson » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:38 pm

Hmmm, so what do have the BE and HBE plugged into?

Is that a Synergy E2 or something, or a home built?

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drewiv wrote:They aren't looking like they'll have more bells & whistles in the prototypes, but no one really knows what is to come.
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Post by MarcoR » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:37 pm

djdayson wrote:Hmmm, so what do have the BE and HBE plugged into?

Is that a Synergy E2 or something, or a home built?
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Post by chrismilne » Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:19 pm

Are you referring to the modules only or the real amp as well?

I think the real amp is maybe the greatest distortion i've ever heard...does all of the Van Halen brown sounds as well as 80's rock tones. The problem is it's insanely expensive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T9uzDasXag

The Steve Stevens model also sounds awesome (this is about cabinet emulation but playing his signature Friedman)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfbSyG05fHw

I don't have quite as much love for the Jerry Cantrell model...though still pretty good. The only other amp i'd put in this category is the Cameron CCV 100.
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