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Post by Daryl » Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:09 pm

http://www.essentialsound.com/reviews/M ... _Mar09.pdf
Just got done reading a short review on this cable that I had not heard of. Anybody have any experience with this product? Any thoughts? Is it worth it and if not, why? I would particularly like to know what you electrical engineers out there have to say.
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Post by Mister Joshua » Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:34 pm

Seems like a solid review. Being one of those Electrical Engineers and having worked on aircraft electrical systems for over 7 years before going back to school for my master's (where i am now) i can say that it sounds like a bunch of BS. If you are having noise issues i would suggest going with a shielded power cable. Yes they do exist. Most cables only have the standard three wires (usually green, red, and black) but shielded cables add a braided shield to the outside and tie it to the ground (the round plug on the IEC end). This means that less distortion and interference enters and leaves the wires. If you are smart you will not run power and signal wires close together but if you must then you need to use shielded power wire, even if you use shielded instrument wire. Now shielded power cords are indeed more expensive, but not $180. Electricity is not magic. Using shields utilizes Faraday's principle. And as for the magical phase canceling powers of the cable. just use a heavier, higher quality wire with less impurities and less oxygen. It sounds like that this cable is just like using a shielded cable with a low oxygen high gauge wire. Then again maybe ESP got a hold of some magic dust and sprinkled it on the cable thus making electricity magic after all. So maybe i am wrong.

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Post by Shinozoku » Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:15 pm

I'm too lazy to look for Julia's pic, but it's something along the lines of this:

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I saw a guy on UG who got one of those. He specifically said it was for the audiophiles and idiots like him.

The power cable is not part of the signal chain.

Signal chain is:
Pick+finger+string > fret or nut and bridge > fretboard, neck, and guitar body > pickups > guitar electronics > cable > effects (if any) > amp > speaker cable > speakers, floor, and room acoustics > ears.

I don't see power cord in there anywhere.

But damn... that power cord just LOOKS sexy... I kinda almost want one for my rig... but I'm not made of money.
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Post by Daryl » Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:27 pm

Preach it, brothers and sisters!!!!
That is what this thread is about. Shedding light on the darkness of the uninformed minds and revealing the truth about those that would use our love of tone to steal our money.
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Post by Shinozoku » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:10 pm

But it IS a sexy power cord... The grip is so ergonomic... Much more exciting than my old computer power cord...

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Post by Hamner1 » Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:16 am

Your all crazy. This is the best product known to man & musicians. In fact it is underpriced. Damn you ESP for making such a great product. :lol:

I'm buying what Mister Joshua is saying. With my limited knowledge of electricity & current, I can't buy into it. The only thing I would give it is it appears to be thicker, which maybe means they are using a heavier guage of wire, which should translate into better current exchange/travel. But your not going to catch me shelling out in the 3 bill range for something like that. That cable with a surge suppressor plug I might consider paying $30-$40.

I think MOnster cable is also selling a similar cable with that same hype for about $100 or so.
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Post by m0jo » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:33 am

It's complete bullshit, unless you wire the entire stage and building with that.

You're plugging this fancy cord into either a wall socket of an extension box right?
Why don't you open either of those up (caution: spikey hair hazard!) and see what the wires in there look like..

It's like running a $150 guitar cable into a (true bypass) pedal and continuing with the cable they give you with a starters pack guitar..
Completely useless.

Yes, every aspect has influence, but let's see:
This cable is 2 meters or something? Everything before that is non-magic cable .. which is at least 20 meters before it hits the power source of the building (and often way more since it runs along the walls, not straight line). So even if this cable makes a difference, it does that with already 20 meters of "sound deteriorating cable" in front of it.
So it's like running through 20m of starter's-pack-cable into 2 meters of unbelievable-magic-mojo cable.

I'm not buying it, this is one of the worst snake oils I've heard of ever actually.

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Post by khingpynn » Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:09 am

not an EI however I'm an Electrician with seven years testing cable of all types with high end equipment for the oilsands. Friend of mine who owns a Lynch Box bought one.

Can I hear a difference?

In blind testing no. In non blind testing yes.

I'm sure most ppl here can make the conclusion.

Spend the money on a good portable power conditioner where the results are far more evident.
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Post by m0jo » Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:11 am

khingpynn wrote:not an EI however I'm an Electrician with seven years testing cable of all types with high end equipment for the oilsands. Frind of mine who owns a Lynch Box bought one.

Can I hear a difference?

In blind testing no. In non blind testing yes.

I'm sure most ppl here can make the conclusion.

Spend the money on a good portable power conditioner where the results are far more evident.
Bingo

This is the kind of product that makes you think there is a difference..
No one else hears that though ;)

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Post by Julia » Fri Dec 24, 2010 1:54 pm

It's bullshit because you could do 99% of gigs with a Peavey Bandit and an Epiphone G-400 or Squier Stratocaster and no one would know the difference between that and a $5000 rig.

So you spend $100+ on a stupid power cable just so "Mustang Sally" might sound 0.00001% clearer to you and only you? When was the last time someone came up to you at a gig and asked you why Sweet Home Alabama sounded so much better tonight, and you replied "because I got a new power cable for my amp."

This is pure 100% snake oil. It will make you play faster, shoot straighter, be quicker on the draw, cure baldness, eliminate cellulite, and all that stuff.

Besides it looks like the cord that was on my mom's iron when I was a little back in the 1950s. I think I'll pick up one of these for my next gig at the local bar. We just learned "Mustang Sally." Think how awesome that song is going to sound with one of these power chords.
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Post by Daryl » Sat Dec 25, 2010 5:10 pm

Tag likes this cable... This cable has tone... Tag knows tone....Tone's got electrolytes. It's what Tag craves... :D
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Post by bduersch » Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:35 pm

Julia wrote:So you spend $100+ on a stupid power cable just so "Mustang Sally" might sound 0.00001% clearer to you and only you? When was the last time someone came up to you at a gig and asked you why Sweet Home Alabama sounded so much better tonight, and you replied "because I got a new power cable for my amp."
I dunno why, but this line made my day. :)

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Post by Hamner1 » Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:16 pm

bduersch wrote:
Julia wrote:When was the last time someone came up to you at a gig and asked you why Sweet Home Alabama sounded so much better tonight, and you replied "because I got a new power cable for my amp."
I dunno why, but this line made my day. :)

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:lol: I missed that the 1st time around. That is hilarious. Most people don't normally compliment your guitar tone. Guitarists or maybe musicians, but in truth that has never been the answer I got or gave. It's always the pickups, strings, amp, tubes, guitar cable &/or speaker cable, guitar itself.
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Post by Daryl » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:23 pm

m0jo wrote:It's complete bullshit, unless you wire the entire stage and building with that.

You're plugging this fancy cord into either a wall socket of an extension box right?
Why don't you open either of those up (caution: spikey hair hazard!) and see what the wires in there look like..

It's like running a $150 guitar cable into a (true bypass) pedal and continuing with the cable they give you with a starters pack guitar..
Completely useless.

Yes, every aspect has influence, but let's see:
This cable is 2 meters or something? Everything before that is non-magic cable .. which is at least 20 meters before it hits the power source of the building (and often way more since it runs along the walls, not straight line). So even if this cable makes a difference, it does that with already 20 meters of "sound deteriorating cable" in front of it.
So it's like running through 20m of starter's-pack-cable into 2 meters of unbelievable-magic-mojo cable.

I'm not buying it, this is one of the worst snake oils I've heard of ever actually.
Excellent points, Mojo.
The only real connection that it improves is from the wall to the AC input. Without any other part of the chain being improved it begs the question: How can it possibly improve the power from the utility company to the building where the unit is being used? If you are using a good quality power conditioner, then it might be feasible that this cable gets the "conditioned" power to the amp more efficiently, but seriously...A six foot cable? Maybe 2 meters? Could there be a significant voltage drop? If you know the largest amount of current that will flow in the cable, then use the formula: Vdrop = Current X Distance(Ft) X 2 X Ohms per 1000Ft. So according to this formula, a larger gauge cable with adequate shielding will serve to create gains, however miniscule they might be. When you apply this formula it becomes apparent that it is more important to have a well shielded cable, for noise considerations, than to even worry so much about the extra gauge size. By my estimation the exact same results could be achieved by using a larger gauge power cord with adequate shielding and mil-spec connectors. And at a significantly lower price point. Doesn't it feel like this company is kind of insulting our intelligence?
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Post by Hamner1 » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:11 pm

Daryl wrote:Doesn't it feel like this company is kind of insulting our intelligence?
YES
But what company doesn't these days.
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