What's in your Lynchbox Cabinet???????? See Last Post

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What's in your Lynchbox Cabinet???????? See Last Post

Post by seanh303 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:21 am

Ok, so I am now more confused than I ever should be about the 4x12 Lynch Box cabinets. I had no idea there was so much variety in them, and I'm hoping someone can help shed some light on a few things for me. I did search the forum and the internet, which only added to my confusion!

Alright, so from the Randall 2009 Catalog:
RS412LB came loaded with Eminence Super V speakers, and is rated at 300W RMS. I have searched for more info on the Super V's and can only find Red Coat Lynch Super V12 which I suspect are different from what came in the cab, as the Red Coats are rated at 150W each. Each speaker would need to be rated at 75W to produce a 300W RMS rating for the CAB right? I kinda doubt this thing came loaded with 4x 150W Red Coat Super V12's.

Next problem. Randall website currently lists the RS412LB as having "Celestion Greenback speakers". I ordered an RS412LB and the description said it came with "Celestion speakers", so I'm guessing it was this model, although I haven't opened it up yet to confirm whether it has Celestions or Eminence. I found another website that has this CAB listed as having "the new Lynch 50W speakers", so did this version of the RS412LB come with the 50W Celestion Lynchback-G12-50GL speakers? I would think these would have to be 75W to produce an RMS rating of 300W for the 4x12, right?. Could these be the G12H Heritage Greenback? Are they Lynchbacks? Am I missing something here? The other thing is, the stock photo of the RS412LB I bought looks like the current stock photo on the Randall website with the skull in the middle...but the stock photo from the Amazon (where I bought) and dolphinmusic say just "Randall" in the middle. Did they change the appearance of the Lynchbox CAB at some point?

Then there is the RS412LBC listed in the 2010-2011 Randall Catalog, yet no RS412LB. This is listed as having G12M Heritage Greenbacks, yet the stock photo looks the same as the RS412LB. The Celestion website shows these as 20W each, and the Randall catalog states 80W RMS which seems consistent. Has anyone ever seen an RS412LBC? A google search for RS412LBC gets you only the Randall Catalog mentioning it, no other websites. Also, I can't understand why Randall would make a 4x12 80W RMS cabinet for the RM100LB 100w head, unless it was made for the RM50HLB 50w head, but then a 4x12 CAB seems excessive for a 50W head. Anyway, I was curious if they ever even made this thing.

Ok, finally, there is the LB412. This is clearly different in styling and construction than the RS412LB, but here's the interesting thing. It is listed as having the Lynchback speakers, with an RMS rating of 200W, which to me is consistent with having 4x 50W Lynchback-G12-50GL speakers. If this has the same speakers as the RS412LB, how can one be rated 200W RMS, and the other 300W RMS??? Did Randall and the dealers just not get the specs updated correctly when they changed from Eminence to Celestion in the RS412LB? Maybe the RMS rating went from 300W to 200W, but since both are the RS412LB, maybe they forgot to change the power rating in the description???

Anyway, I'm sure anyone reading this is just as confused as me now...you're welcome! Here are some links to reference what I have been able to find so far:

http://www.indianaguitarman.com/catalog.php?item=1211

http://www.randallamplifiers.com/Produc ... Lynch.html

http://www.amazon.com/Randall-RS412LB-M ... 429&sr=1-6

http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/product/2 ... akers.html

http://www.amazon.com/Randall-LB412-200 ... B0052W4RGY

http://www.zzounds.com/item--CELLYNCHBACK8

http://professional.celestion.com/guita ... .asp?ID=34

http://professional.celestion.com/guita ... .asp?ID=35

http://www.randallamplifiers.com/images ... 010-11.pdf

http://www.randallamplifiers.com/images ... atalog.pdf
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Post by drewiv » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:06 am

xxx nevermind... I misread.

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Post by seanh303 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:31 pm

I found anwers to all of my questions and am now fully in the know about the George Lynch Cabinets. If anyone else lack clarity let me know.

Actually, I'm still interested in finding anything I can about the Eminence Lynch Super V's. If anyone has spec sheets or charts let me know please. I still haven't opened my cab to see what they have, and honestly can't say what I hope is in there. The Eminence Super V's sound like they are pretty awesome, yet the Lynchback's look fantastic aswell. I guess one part of me hopes they're the Super V's since you can't get those anymore...and another hopes they're not, cause if they are, I forsee a Celestion Lynchback 50w purchase on the horizon. Oh man, Lynchbacks and Super V's in an X-pattern :twisted:

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Post by Kapo_Polenton » Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:44 am

SuperV's are great... i have two mixed with greenbacks. Really like the combo and they are tight.

Looking at a Lynchback for a 2 x 12 i am thinking of getting so i can run a wet/dry rig with my jcm800 or my lynchbox. Should sound pretty huge!

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Post by SickPunk » Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:48 am

Can you see what speakers you have by looking through the handle openings? Maybe with a flashlight?

I'd love to find a Lynchbox 2 x 12 cab somewhere.
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Post by seanh303 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:24 am

Yeah that would sound incredible. If the Super V's and Greenbacks go well together, the Lynchbacks should be a step closer to perfection, with the wattages just a little closer to eachother (75w/50w vs 75w/25w). Of course you won't get as early cone breakup with the Lynchbacks as with the Greenbacks, but they should match up nicely anyway and handle a little more crunch. Of course, anything from the Heritage Series is sorely tempting to try.

The model # is written on the back of the speakers so I'll have to remove the back of the cab to see what's inside. I've been keeping my eye's peeled for a Lynch 2x12. I've found one, but it cost's more than I paid for the 4x12 so I'm not ready to drop that yet.

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Post by seanh303 » Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:04 pm

I opened up the cabinet, and discovered (4) 20w, 15Ω, Celestion speakers made in the U.K. This must be the RS412LBC! These are Celestion G12M Heritage Greenback speakers and are of utmost quality. I am very pleased to discover this! The add had this listed as an RS412LB, and I am glad I looked into it, as the RS412LB Eminence Lynch Super V and the RS412LB Celestion Lynchback cabinets are wired for 8Ω mono impedence, while this cabinet is wired for 16Ω mono impedence. I was running my amp on 8Ω mono impedence, so I am glad I didn't fry the amp. Also, considering the total RMS rating of this cabinet is only 80w, I now know to be very careful with power and gain, especially if using a 100w head, as this cabinet is rated MUCH lower than the 300w RMS Super V and the 200w RMS Lynchback cabinets. If you have a Lynchbox cabinet, I recommend you carefully open up the back and take a look at what's inside. This one is identical in appearance from the outside to the RS412LB, and there is nothing on the packaging indicating the different components. The whole assembly was soldered together, so be careful when taking off the back, as there are only a few inches of slack in the wiring. Let me know what you find in yours!!!

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Post by Kapo_Polenton » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:49 am

Sound slike quality control issues.. heritage greenies are great but if i paid for SuperV's i'd want them... Still would love 2 lynchbacks in a cab for comparison though. Not sure any 2 x 12 lynchbacks ever hit the market. I saw a few advertised but this doesn't mean they made it past the concept phase.

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Post by seanh303 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:45 pm

Yeah I am a little dissappointed to miss out on Super V's but they pop up used occasionally. They were in the 2009 model, so a new cab with them would be pretty rare. The Eminence Super V's seem to be incredible and I'd love to try them out. But between the Lynchbacks and the G12M Heritage, I'd hands down take the G12M's. Lynchback are $130/ea made in China, while the G12M's are $220/ea made in the U.K. The tone will be a lot different with the different power rating and impedence, but the G12M's are phenominal speakers.

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Post by SickPunk » Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:45 pm

Mine has Signature Eminence Super V speakers.
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Post by seanh303 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:15 pm

Nice man! Do you have anything to compare them to? I think those are what George really wanted from the beginning...just my oppinion. He made due with a greenback style speaker, but still had them mod it out for more power handling. (4) 75w speakers is quite a lot for a traditional 412. You can get 4 75w or 4 80w configurations, but it's not really a popular load like 2 60w's w/2 75w, or 4 60w, etc...I think he likes to crank out the power. When you look at his signature Eminence Super V12, that thing had 150w per speaker! Lynchback is probably the coolest name any Celestion speaker ever recieved, but I personally just think the Eminence 75w's were closer to his style. I would love to have 4 of those speakers! They'd never leave my possession :twisted:

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Post by Kapo_Polenton » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:04 am

To be honest, it wouldn't surprise me if the lynchback is very close to the Superv. He had described the Super V as being a cross of a Fane - greenback- and touch of V30. By the sounds of it, the lynchback accomplishes something very similar. I'll let you know soon enough though as I plan on picking up a lynchback for another cab.

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Post by seanh303 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:13 pm

Awesome, I would love to hear a side by side comparison. No doubt the Lynchback comes close. There was a 2x12 listed on Amazon for the longest for north of $600 but it's finally gone. I wouldn't mind having one of those either.

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Post by Spencer4hire » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:42 pm

seanh303 wrote:Awesome, I would love to hear a side by side comparison. No doubt the Lynchback comes close. There was a 2x12 listed on Amazon for the longest for north of $600 but it's finally gone. I wouldn't mind having one of those either.
It will be here tomorrow :wink:
I am hoping it is loaded with the Super Vs. Doing some research looking through the Randall Catalogs and price sheets it appears they made two versions of the 2X12 Lynchbox cab.RS212LB and RS212LBC. The C indicates it is Celestion Greenback loaded. I like Greenbacks but I really hope it has the SuperVs. Either way it will look good supporting my LB50 head! It wasn't a very good buy compared to the Randall 4X12 blowouts on Ebay but I really did not want or need another 4X12. I have to think these RS212LB cabs are pretty rare.

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Post by Spencer4hire » Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:53 pm

Well the RS212LB showed up today. I pulled the back off and it came with the Greenbacks :cry: Why would Randall make a cabinet rated for 40 watts when the matching head is rated 50 watts :roll: I will post a review and post some pictures in another thread.

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