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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well I'm (personally) not saying you did or didn't do whatever Matt (I think I even said that) I'm just sayin' I went and read Rob's post on fb. My msg to him would be.. Maybe he should just be happy that he got to charge someone to mod the same module twice and quit his whinin LoL ...but that's just me Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

suphuckers wrote:
well MarcoR, After reading your post I realized I should maybe clarify what I was saying. ...and I don't wanna argue with anyone about this ...because truthfully who gives a s*&t? LoL

But... It's not "his product". It's a Randall/Egnater product that he "Hacked". I mean I went and read Rob's post and.. well... He's pissed because he thinks someone hacked his hack? Maybe someone didn't like his hack, and was trying to make it better. Anyone ever think of that? ..and where exactly did Rob get all of his knowledge? He's never reverse engineered anything himself? Not saying anyone was trying to or not trying to do that but... WTH does it matter? ..and while I'm on the subject. What the hell is the deal with the black goop anyways? I mean... Has anyone ever seen a fender/dumble/marshall etc filled with black goop? It's because he doesn't want people to see he charged you $200 for 5 caps 6 resistors and 2 switchs, that's why. I'm new to this stuff, but I'm not new to guitars/amps by a long shot. Go look at guys that build pedals. They all share their schematics and diagrams. Sure some of them sell their pedals, but they don't fill them with goop. I can build my own pedals but sometimes I don't because... sometimes it's worth it to me for someone else to do it. Wink No Goop needed! Just sayin LoL Again not arguing or trying to peck a fight. ...and if you read this Rob, please don't get all fb on me LoL. It just makes me shake my head is all Shocked

I know, right? It's like guys like Brian Wampler who sell TS-style pedals for like, $300, when Ibanez already built the original TS and you KNOW that there's only like $1.50 worth of parts in it.

And all those guitars for $4,000? Fender already designed the strat & I could totally build one better for $100 in used parts that I found lying around in the discount bin at the local guitar shop. You're only paying for the name. Mayones? Puh-lease. They're just cashing in because everybody wants one.

Don't get me started on all those custom car builders. $100,000 for a "custom" Mustang or Camaro? I could pick up a plastic spoiler, some hubcaps, a rattle can of paint to match the colour & some totally sick decals from my local speed shop and totally make my Hyundai just as good for a LOT less money
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The owner of the hacked module has a post in that thread. It's easy to just ask who he got the module from, if anyone is serious about investigating this... Personally, I couldn't care less.


Mattfig wrote:
MarcoR wrote:
JD wrote:
Yes, accuse somebody of something and do it in a place where they can't defend themselves. Not cool at all.


I totally agree with this statement.

Normally I love some good forum drama as it makes the work day more interesting. In this case, I?m glad no one is really jumping on band wagons to defend their camps side. Behind the scenes it may be different but the appearance from the outside for the most part it seems both parties are taking the high road and not pursuing anymore trash talk publicly. Kudos to all.

Personally, if my product was returned to me in a state where it had been noticeably tampered with and I had seen the same type of tampering before, it would be difficult for me not to become emotional about it and react in some way (right or wrong). If I had also been taking repeated jabs and slanders by the party I suspected was responsible, I would further become emotionally charged. What does 99.9 percent of the population do when they are wound up about something? They post it on facebook.

No names were named? sure, anyone on this forum would know exactly who was being called out but let?s keep in mind this forum is actually a small percentage of JFMs actual customer base. Perhaps the posts were removed so that no one would be officially implicated to protect the innocent?
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It's like you guys really think it could have been me...Wouldn't one person have caught on and outed me by this point? Rob's displaced anger will get no thanks or kudos from me...Both parties on the high road? Hmmm....

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mattfig wrote:

It's like you guys really think it could have been me...Wouldn't one person have caught on and outed me by this point?


I'm not saying that. None of us know what happened and it's stupid to speculate. I do agree after the millions of modules you have turned over, someone would have complained if there was anything fishy.

I do know that people talk trash and you guys had some sort of falling out. As an observer, I have seen you take jabs at him publicly more than a few times and this time he did it to you.

I like Rob, he has done some great work for me. I like you, you're an enigma or an efiggma. You guys should just duke it out or kiss and make up... On video preferably.

suphuckers wrote:
Aren't all of Rob's mods just copies of someone elses s*&t anyways?


Yes, and so are Salvation's and Sacred Groves and Dave Friedmans and everyone else who builds or mods amps with 50 year old technology?
suphuckers, I know you'll agree with that.

The goop is not to hide the circuit, it is to prevent it from being tampered with. These modules change hands A LOT and when you get one and it sucks, you blame the modder. How else can you guarantee someone else didn't get their hands in there? When you put your name on something, your putting your name on the line.

You guys remember the time someone sent their module back to Rob because it was acting funny? He found a mini screw driver between the base plate and the circuit board.

Personally, I hate the goop, it's ugly. It also is not the best practice these days; anybody been following the Vertex axis wah vs BBE wah debacle?
Basically Vertex was busted selling their axis wah for $400 when it was just a $125 BBE wah with a new pedal design and black goop covering the circuit board. They claimed to hand wind the inductors and hand select components. People swore it was the best wah ever...

Sometimes I'm really glad I'm not in this business. Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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These modules change hands A LOT and when you get one and it sucks, you blame the modder. How else can you guarantee someone else didn't get their hands in there? When you put your name on something, your putting your name on the line.
Confused[/quote]


Do you buy a used Ford and assume it's the same as it came off the line at Ford's?

...and no I'm not trying to start a fight Marco...as you have always come across as a good guy....with hands blessed to play the guitar. lol

Matt...his videos played a big part in JF's sales back in the day. I bet the income from that far out weighs the free mods that were done.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JD wrote:

Do you buy a used Ford and assume it's the same as it came off the line at Ford's?


We're more on the buddy system here so we pretty much expect what the seller says they're selling. Right?

JD wrote:

...and no I'm not trying to start a fight Marco...as you have always come across as a good guy....with hands blessed to play the guitar. lol


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarcoR wrote:
JD wrote:

Do you buy a used Ford and assume it's the same as it came off the line at Ford's?


We're more on the buddy system here so we pretty much expect what the seller says they're selling. Right?

JD wrote:

...and no I'm not trying to start a fight Marco...as you have always come across as a good guy....with hands blessed to play the guitar. lol


Very Happy


agreed.
and that means if Matt was screwing people over we would hear about it. Now we have Rob saying Matt is screwing people over and then deleting Matt's response to that. The situation is sad really.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:41 pm    Post subject: Pot calling the kettle Black Reply with quote

I've been in the MTS line since early 2000.
The first mods I had done was Pete at Gigmods (still have them).
back then Jaded was just getting into MTS and the samples I heard never really sounded that appealing to me.

Then Salvation broke into the scene, what a revelation Exclamation They were more expensive mostly do to shipping but they were worth it. (I have 4 of them).

Then I noticed the Jaded's mod's (which became Much better) were oddly similar to what Salvation had to offer.

So for Jaded to complain about what other moder's do when he clearly (my opinion that I've kept to myself for years so I don't rustle any feathers) has copied Anthony's work is rather sad and hypocritical.Rolling Eyes

And to tolerate having someone call the Fig a douche after The Fig has done tons videos to promote Jaded's modules is outrages.

So I guess I have to sell the Jaded module and get me a Motor City one.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Pot calling the kettle Black Reply with quote

As Marco said, goop isn't all about turning your back to the audience so they can't see what you're hands are doing. It's often about tamper prevention & brand protection. If someone's first experience with your product is after someone has significantly altered it, then their lasting impression is of a product that just isn't very good. Most people won't what the untouched work looked like or have the technical knowledge to see if it has been messed with and so wouldn't know if there had been any changes from original. They may wonder why everyone is praising this particular product when it clearly sounds pretty crappy.

Rob hasn't always gooped his mods. I bought two from him and one secondhand in the forum and none of them have goop. So the gooping is a recent development in response to something he considered a problem.

As for ALL pedal manufacturers freely sharing information and not gooping, Marco just provided a conspicuous example of a "high end" manufacturer doing it. They were frauds, but many legitimate manufacturers also do it to protect their intellectual property.

And then some manufacturers make fun of the whole gooping issue



LRStrat wrote:
I've been in the MTS line since early 2000.
The first mods I had done was Pete at Gigmods (still have them).
back then Jaded was just getting into MTS and the samples I heard never really sounded that appealing to me.

Then Salvation broke into the scene, what a revelation Exclamation They were more expensive mostly do to shipping but they were worth it. (I have 4 of them).

Then I noticed the Jaded's mod's (which became Much better) were oddly similar to what Salvation had to offer.

So for Jaded to complain about what other moder's do when he clearly (my opinion that I've kept to myself for years so I don't rustle any feathers) has copied Anthony's work is rather sad and hypocritical.Rolling Eyes

And to tolerate having someone call the Fig a douche after The Fig has done tons videos to promote Jaded's modules is outrages.

So I guess I have to sell the Jaded module and get me a Motor City one.


The early samples you heard when Jaded Faith was first modding may not have been very good. But plenty of people since then have bought & praised Rob's work alongside their modules from other modders. And there have been loads of great sounding clips produced by members of the forum. Including Matt. But given this latest furore, they were all probably wrong.

What's particularly astounding is the notion that the improvement in Rob's mods could ONLY have come from reverse engineering Salvation modules. He has then parlayed the knowledge gleaned into a burgeoning amp repair/mod business. Whoda thunk that working out how someone else replicated the tone of an Engl or SLO clone on the MTS platform would give you the skills to troubleshoot a PA or a variety of guitar amps? And to be able to monetise those skills so quickly too. Quite a feat.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:37 am    Post subject: Re: Pot calling the kettle Black Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:38 am    Post subject: Re: Pot calling the kettle Black Reply with quote

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What's particularly astounding is the notion that the improvement in Rob's mods could ONLY have come from reverse engineering Salvation modules. He has then parlayed the knowledge gleaned into a burgeoning amp repair/mod business. Whoda thunk that working out how someone else replicated the tone of an Engl or SLO clone on the MTS platform would give you the skills to troubleshoot a PA or a variety of guitar amps? And to be able to monetise those skills so quickly too. Quite a feat.


Bill Gates built an empire from Q-DOS and Icons developed by Xerox.

I didn't say "ONLY reverse engineering Salvation mods"
Please re-read my original post.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do I see? I see the only couple of surviving MTS businesses warring over an ever shrinking costumer base in a decaying marketshare... I became familiar with MTS only this year and I own 32 mods by both Salvation and JF... why?? Because I love the platform and love those modded modules... and because I know I have to get them before they disappear...

Having said that, I wish these companies were united trying to resurrect MTS instead of fighting over bread crumb...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think both parties have said stuff in the heat of the moment and regretted it. If you noticed neither Fig nor Rob have said anything in some time. Out of sheer boredom this board takes sides and rips all parties without mercy. It's obvious after being on here awhile, that there's a huge undercurrent of fanboyism here. It no different that xbox/playstation arguments on the web...

My question is, has any of us personally been wrong by any of the parties. I've had nothing but great experiences with both Rob and Fig. It's their beef, let them settle it. Don't just pile on, because your "team" needs your supposed support.
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